KTVX, an ABC-affiliated television station operating in Salt Lake City, has two slogans, one of them being “Good4Utah.” On October 31, 2015—Halloween, incidentally—Good4Utah’s website published an article and an uninformed news segment entitled, “Inside the Utah Church of Scientology.”

This poor excuse of journalistic reporting left out the fact that the cult of Scientology has its own haunted attractions (bases, central organizations and headquarters including Flag Land Base, Clearwater, Florida; their West Coast headquarters, the Pacific Area Command Base, often referred to as “PAC Base” or “Big Blue”; Gold Base, Riverside County, California; Trementina Base; the cruise ship Freewinds; and worldwide, Scientology “Ideal” Orgs or, more appropriately, “Idle mOrgues”). And at the cult of Scientology’s bases, orgs and headquarters, horror stories abound.

The section that follows herein is a transcription of Good4Utah’s video news segment of Scientology’s activities in Salt Lake City (where, in 1977, I began my own misadventure in Scientology), interlaced with the truth of what that cult has been up to under the leadership of David Miscavige (“DM”). What DM does is against that cult, not for it.  This includes demeaning behavior and brutal physical and psychological harm that DM has allegedly inflicted on others, including his own father. (Links to various “Sources” mentioned throughout this blog are listed at the end of it.)

REPORTER #1: “The Church of Scientology. There’s been so much written and reported over the years, much of it negative. But what’s the truth about the religion and what kind of impact does it have here in Utah?”

REPORTER #2: “For the first time, a local Scientology church leader agreed to be interviewed, to talk candidly and to answer questions about what goes on inside. Here’s Good4Utah’s Randall Carlisle.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “This is their church in the heart of Sugarhouse at 11th East and 19th South. It’s open seven days a week and anyone can walk in. So what do they do inside?”

Not anyone can walk in to a church of Scientology, Mr. Carlisle. If you are a critic of Scientology or someone who has questioned their motives or actions, you’ll most likely never be able to walk down Scientology’s hallowed halls.

Debbie Cook wore the hat of Captain of the Flag Service Org (“FSO”) in Clearwater, Florida, for 17 years and dedicated 30 years of her life to the Sea Org, Scientology’s paramilitary group who dedicate themselves to serve L. Ron Hubbard for a billion years. Ms. Cook sent an informative email to her Scientologist friends on Dec 31, 2011 (Happy New Year, DM!). That email voiced her concerns for the wrong direction that Scientology had been heading, and discussed very serious topics such as continual fundraising; the International Association of Scientologists (“IAS”), an out-of-control membership unit; the “Ideal Org” fiasco, which includes the worldwide acquisition of opulent buildings, raising exorbitant funds to give those facilities posh interiors, but then to leave them virtually empty for the world to see and “ooh-and-ah” at; the blatant alteration of a technology purportedly “discovered” by Scientology’s founder, L. Ron Hubbard (“LRH”), an alteration apparently conducted by the Religious Technology Center (“RTC”), the very unit (which DM heads), that was formed to protect and safeguard it from such alteration or misuse; Ms. Cook also wonders whatever happened to the Command Structure as left behind by LRH.

Have you ever wondered what happened to various key executives in Scientology, people that LRH left behind to protect and safeguard Scientology from encroaching thieves (Scientology is, and has been, after all, a money-making machine that often fails to deliver what it promises)? Debbie Cook’s email poses the question, “Where are…?” including the President of the Church of Scientology, Heber Jentzsch (not seen publicly since 2004).

If you’ve been in Scientology for the last decade or more, you may have wondered whatever happened to Michael “Mike” Rinder, a former Scientology senior executive? Mike left Scientology in 2007 and has become a critic of that cult. Mike appears in the 2015 HBO documentary, “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief.”

Have you ever wondered what happened to Mark C. “Marty” Rathbun, another former Scientology senior executive, who last held the post of Inspector General of RTC? Marty left Scientology in 2004 and has become a critic of that cult. In the 2015 HBO documentary, “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,” Marty alleges wiretapping by Scientology on celebrity Nicole Kidman, a former wife of Scientology’s “poster boy” Tom Cruise.

VALERIE KINGDON: “We have a variety of courses. Um, we do counseling and we have Sunday services every Sunday at 11 o’clock that everybody is welcome to.”

If Scientology has forced your family and friends to “disconnect” or shun you because you’ve questioned the cult, you will not be invited to their Sunday services. If Scientology has shunned all of your family and friends because of your dissatisfaction with the cult’s actions, your friends and family will most likely never attend another Scientology Sunday service. Don’t forget that in Scientology, there is no such thing as “disconnection.” There never has been and never will be. You can read about that lie from Tony Ortega, Marty Rathbun and even Karen De La Carriere, Heber Jentzsch’s former wife.

RANDALL CARLISLE: “Do you pray at the service?”

VALERIE KINGDON: “No, we don’t pray.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “Do you sing songs?”

VALERIE KINGDON: “No, we don’t sing songs.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “Instead, they tell me, they have a sermon topic from their founder, L. Ron Hubbard. And they talk about it. They also have this mission building at 400 South, 353 East. They say they have about 6,800 members locally and that the religion has been in Utah for almost sixty years. Inside this building they do spiritual counseling, what they call an ‘audit’ using a measuring device call an ‘e-meter.'”

Scientology doesn’t pray or sing and neither does it believe in heaven, hell or even Jesus Christ; LRH even once said, “There was no Christ.” Scientology believes in past lives and reincarnation; furthermore, the science fiction-like belief that Hubbard has of what the history of this planet and Lord Xenu has done to mankind may simply boggle your mind. Instead of paying upwards of $300,000 in order to find out what Xenu, Galactic Confederacies, DC-8-like spacecraft, exploding volcanoes, hydrogen bombs and billions of bodiless spiritual beings (“thetans”) have to do with Scientology’s interpretation of Earth’s past, you can read all about it here (by clicking on the “Xenu” link in the “Sources” section).

VALERIE KINGDON: “Basically, it [the ‘e-meter’] is to locate areas of distress in somebody’s life and basically help them handle that.”

The more a person advances in Scientology, the greater the chance there is for increased distress.

Scientology is morally and ethically deficient; a poor excuse for a “religion.” Scientology love bombs you and then goes after your wallet, your savings, every penny you and your spouse will ever earn; then they’ll drain your bank accounts, suck the life from your retirement, your 401K plan; they’ll siphon every dollar from your children’s college fund and your inheritance. And when that money is gone and you’ve served their purpose, Scientology will kick you to the curb and veritably run over your carcass as they go after their next victim and his/her/their money. They’ll smile at you while they stab you in the back, forcing every friend, co-worker, employer and loved one you have to cut all ties with you so as to keep you in line with their “rules.” God forbid you should ever give them your name, your address, your telephone number or any money.

RANDALL CARLISLE: “And check this out: Seventh East and South Temple [Street], 43,000 square feet. The church is growing; next year, Scientologists will be moving in there.”

Ooh-ah. Mr. Carlisle, check this out: that facility (located, more precisely, at 709 E. South Temple Street), is Utah’s next “Ideal Org.” Scientology has held at least one fund raising activity at that location, apparently in an attempt to raise the funds necessary to renovate the building (and create a posh interior). Scientology has elaborate plans for that facility, as outlined in a Report as laid out by Salt Lake City’s Principal Planner. Scientology has even been granted conditional approval by Salt Lake City’s Planning Commission for that “Ideal Org.”

Here is a vicinity and zoning map from that Planning Commission Report:

Presenting the “First Floor Block Plan” (complete with Divisional color-coded sections) of the Church of Scientology Salt Lake City’s “Ideal Org”:

Notice that on the First Floor, Scientology’s plans include: eleven study rooms; a cafe; seven offices and a chapel. Reception is also on that floor.

The first floor has 14,570 gross square feet (the building, a total of 40,480 gross sq ft), from a proposed building layout planned by “KP” and drafted by “RL,”, January 6, 2013. Who are “KP” and “RL”? What association, if any, do they have with Scientology’s Sea Org-based Landlord Office?

Presenting the “Basement Block Plan”:

Notice that in the Basement, Scientology’s plans include: multiple offices; a Server room; a storage room; a fitness room; a nursery; a staff lunch room.

Presenting the “Second Floor Block Plan”:

Notice that on the Second Floor, Scientology’s plans include: multiple offices, counseling and study rooms.

Coming up next in our tour of Scientology’s nightmare for Salt Lake City are various property photographs of what is slated to become Utah’s next “Ideal Org.” The first two pictures (in the next photograph) contain two exterior shots of 709 E. South Temple Street, the first facing South Temple Street, the second looking north on J Street.

In the next picture, is a photograph of the landscaped area on the north side of the property and adjacent to 1st Avenue; the second photo is a view of the surface parking lot in the middle of the property.

Next is the underground parking entrance off J Street.

RANDALL CARLISLE: “From what they describe to me, Scientology is basically a blend of science and spirituality; belief in an immortal spirit and improving that spirit here on earth using Scientology methods. They tell me they don’t deal or dwell on concepts like heaven or hell or what happens when you die like many other religions do. They just focus on your spirit. Therefore, many Scientologists also belong to other churches.”

RANDALL CARLISLE (to Valerie Kingdon): “So I can be LDS and a Scientologist?”

VALERIE KINGDON: “Absolutely you can, yes.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “Or a Methodist and Scientologist.”


RANDALL CARLISLE: “Or a Catholic.”

VALERIE KINGDON: “Absolutely.”


VALERIE KINGDON: “Yes. And we do have a lot of other religions that come in and take our services.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “In fact, they claim many local Scientologists are also Mormons.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “In this Scientology video [a video covering recovery efforts after the World Trade Center disaster], church officials say working on the human spirit includes sending volunteer ministers to disasters all over the world.”

The use of volunteer ministers by Scientology to help in disasters is, in many cases, nothing more than a photo op perpetrated by the cult to entice parishioners to cough up even more money.

RANDALL CARLISLE: “Another arm of the church, United for Human Rights, takes on issues like human trafficking.”

The United for Human Rights may be nothing more than an elaborate scam.

Say, Mr. Carlisle, after reading the truth about the horrors of Scientology, would you like to see the wool that this cult pulled down over Salt Lake City’s Planning Commission’s eyes? Coming up is Scientology’s purported purpose for their “Ideal Org.”

First, we find the “Conditional Use” as approved by the Salt Lake City Planning Commission:

Next, we see “Submittal Requirements,” by the Planning Commission:

And now for the pièce de résistance: the “Project Description,” which reads [that the facility will be used] “…to provide for the health, safety, and welfare, and promote the prosperity, improve the morals, peace and good order, comfort, convenience, and aesthetics of each municipality and its present and future inhabitants and business, to protect the tax base, to secure economy in governmental expenditures, to foster the state’s agricultural and other industries, to protect both urban and nonurban development, to protect and ensure access to sunlight for solar energy devises, to provide fundamental fairness in land use regulation,and to protect property values.”

Say what, Scientology?

The report explains, further, Scientology’s intended goal for the facility: “The renovation and operation of the Proposed Facility will help promote the purposes of the Zoning Ordinance. The Church’s purpose to to help individuals learn to solve their problems, accomplish their goals and and lasting happiness by making morally responsible decisions. The promulgation of these ideals will promote the prosperity, improve the morals, peace and good order, comfort and convenience of Salt Lake City.”

In a pig’s eye, Scientology!

The next page of the report calculates the number of parking spaces for Xenu and his troops:

The next page of the report continues to calculate the number of parking spaces that will be needed to accommodate this “Place of Worship” and their multiple bodiless “thetans”:

On and on we go with the never-ending calculation of parking spaces:

RANDALL CARLISLE: “We have just touched briefly on their beliefs and what they do. There’s a lot more on their website, scientology.org. But if they are willing to share all this with ABC 4 and anyone else, why the perception of secrecy and mystery surrounding Scientology?”

VALERIE KINGDON: “I have no idea, Randall, because, you know, we’re open seven days a week and anybody is very welcome to come in and ask us questions, talk to us, see what we do, you know. We are a very open religion and we welcome anybody.”

RANDALL CARLISLE: “Their beliefs and their methods of doing things may be different than yours. But they seem to work for millions of members in dozens of countries around the world. Randall Carlisle, Good4Utah.”

As recently as 2013, Scientology claimed to have millions and millions of church members worldwide. Mike Rinder once asked: “Where are they?” (Active church members at that time, according to IAS figures, were closer to 30,000. Oopsie.)

REPORTER #2: “Thank you, Randall. Like other religions, Scientology performs marriages and baptisms, but they call those ‘naming ceremonies.’ They say they don’t have a ban on drinking alcohol as long as it’s in moderation.”

REPORTER #1: “But they are opposed to the use of psychotropic drugs. They believe Scientology methods can help relieve mental problems like depression.”

Scientology believed they could handle parishioner Lisa McPherson’s apparent mental problems, but she died under their “care” in a scandal that has yet to be completely unraveled.

In closing, Scientology is a dangerous and desperate cult which will stoop to anything, by any means, to get what they want, and no agency has the balls to stop them (or to, at least, curb their appetite). Scientology is bent on destruction and wishes to take you with them.

Merry There Was No Christ-mas!


“10 Million Scientologists – Where Are They?” November 9, 2014.

ABC News goes inside the Church of Scientology Utah (Good4Utah)

Church of Scientology (Wikipedia)

Debbie Cook: “New Years Email from Debbie Cook,” December 31, 2011.

Disconnection: “Scientology Claims No Forced “Disconnection” — So Tell Us About Yours,” July 17, 2013.

Disconnection: “Tampa Bay Times :: Shush and Be Quiet. There is no such thing as Disconnection,” March 17, 2014.

Disconnection: “There Is No Such Thing As Disconnection,” July 23, 2010.

Fort Harrison Hotel (Wikipedia)

Freewinds (Wikipedia)

Going Clear (film) (Wikipedia)

Gold Base (Wikipedia)

“Inside the Utah Church of Scientology,” October 31, 2015 (Good4Utah).

Heber Jentzsch (Wikipedia)

KTVX (Wikipedia)

Lisa McPherson: “Postscript: How David Miscavige spun the death of Lisa McPherson,” December 6, 2015.

David Miscavige: “‘Let him die’: Scientology leader David Miscavige had private eyes watching his father, say police,” April 8, 2015.

David Miscavige: “On David Miscavige’s Behavior,” October 26, 2014.

Marty Rathbun: Moving On Up a Little Higher (Marty Rathbun’s Blog)

Marty Rathbun (Wikipedia)

Mike Rinder: Something Can Be Done About It (Mike Rinder’s Blog)

Mike Rinder (Wikipedia)

Salt Lake City “Ideal Org”: Sec Check (Scientology is at —30)

Salt Lake City Planning Commission: Staff Report, Church of Scientology Salt Lake City Granted Conditional Use

“There was no Christ” —L. Ron Hubbard [See “No Christ”]

Trementina Base (Wikipedia)

“‘United for Human Rights’ – the newest Scientology scam?” August 2010.“‘United for Human Rights’ – the newest Scientology scam?” August 2010.

Volunteer Minister: “IAS Volunteer Minister Scam,” May 10, 2015.

Xenu (Wikipedia)